Understanding Guilt, Shame, and God's Perspective on Worth

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"After there is the disobeying of God, a violation of what is good, the decision to indulge appetite rather than do what Humanity knows is the right thing to do, there's a dynamic present that I wanted to ask you about. When the woman and the man eat the fruit, it says their eyes are opened. Now that's what they've been hoping for, the tempter said your eyes be open but instead of being Godlike in power or creativity, they're actually filled with shame." [00:02:25]

"Instead of kind of owning things, a blaming of others and that gets to the whole issue of guilt and blame and pain in human relationships. So Rick, I'd love to hear your thoughts on how do guilt and blame color people's relationships. Well, it's interesting. I think the last time you and I talked, we talked about the line earlier about being naked and unashamed and here we're talking now about shame." [00:03:29]

"Shame triggers defensiveness even more than guilt. Guilt can do so too and the tonic for Guilt is repentance and turning away. The tonic for shame, the answer for shame is more complicated it seems to me but I see that dynamic in the story where they felt shame, they knew they're nakedness and they felt shame which has to do with a much stronger sense that something's wrong, something deeply wrong." [00:05:00]

"Bernée Brown thinks of Shame as a matter of worthiness or excuse me, unworthiness that feel unworthy that you feel not enough that you feel like there's something deeply wrong with you and I think at least you know another time you and I talked we were talking about how everybody gets defensive and they feel insecure but they do it in different ways they can take a one down position or a oneup position." [00:06:28]

"Somebody trying to take the one up position could look like they think they're Superior, they're aggressive, they're right. One down could be somebody where it seems like they're deeply wounded, they have a deep sense of inadequacy but really both of them who look so different from the outside could be suffering from the same condition internally isn't that just so interesting John." [00:07:23]

"The real answer to those kinds of issues whether Bernée Brown is bringing them up or whether we're talking about them in our close relationships, that the answer to shame has more to do with who God sees us to be and are we deeply unworthy and in some ways the answer might be yes to that. If we're honest but the cross and thinking about a relationship with God isn't founded on what we do or what we have that sort of thing but more on what God thinks of us." [00:08:06]

"The first thing to do is to try to be self-aware and own the feeling of guilt and the next step I got this from one of my mentors way back that you know too, my mentor would always say try to distinguish the guilt feeling that you have and see if it's what he called either true guilt or false guilt and what he meant by that is he would think that there was a like a metric a column on one side that would be the state of guilt and a column on the other side that would be the feeling of guilt." [00:09:28]

"True guilt was when the feeling of guilt was roughly commensurate with the state of guilt and then you could go from there and of course the answer to that is repentance and owning what you did wrong and the gravity of what you did wrong and the consequences of it but the other two problems when the state of guilt is high and the feeling of guilt is low on the other side that's what he called Psychopathic guilt that's no conscience that's when you're guilty but you don't feel guilt." [00:10:08]

"The problem with shame comes is when the feeling of guilt is high but the state of guilt is lower so unpacking that and I've just told you about a thousand different therapy sessions that I had with different people talking about this and trying to unpack this and trying to figure out is there some real Sin real things to own or are the feelings of guilt which feel very similar whether they are rooted in shame or action or are they are they false guilt or my mentor used to call it neurotic guilt." [00:10:49]

"Both Adam and Eve the man and the woman have a keen sense of Shame eyes are open and they're aware that they're naked they feel aware of their nakedness but it looks like their sense of guilt is actually too low it might be and certainly their ability to own it is too low so instead of the man or the woman saying to God yes I did this I chose this they deflect and try to blame it on somebody else rather than owning it in themselves." [00:12:00]

"There's actually power in owning guilt if it's legitimate if it's not neurotic so for everybody who's listening now just take a moment and ask God's help in this what am I experiencing today my relationships especially my closest one when somebody criticizes me or if I face this at work where do I get defensive where do I start to feel vulnerable am I able accurately to own what I should own and let go of what I should let go of and find my healing through all of that in the forgiving love of God." [00:12:47]

"End of lesson beginning of your day with God." [00:13:39]

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