Understanding God's Love Through Challenging Biblical Texts

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"when the people saw that moses was so long in coming down from the mountain they gathered around aaron and said come make us gods who will go before us as for this fellow moses who brought us up out of egypt we don't know what has happened to him aaron answered them take off the gold earrings that your wives your sons and daughters have given you and take off the gold earrings that your wives your sons and daughters have given you and take off the gold earrings that your wives your sons and your daughters are wearing and bring them to me so all the people took off their earrings and brought them to aaron he took what they handed him" [00:01:59]

"and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, These are your gods, Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt. When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, Tomorrow there will be a festival to the Lord. So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings." [00:02:32]

"Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them, and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation. But Moses sought the favor of the Lord his God. Lord, he said, why should your anger burn against your people whom you brought out of Egypt with great power and a mighty hand?" [00:03:35]

"he brought them out to kill them in the mountains and to wipe them off the face of the earth turn from your fierce anger relent and do not bring disaster on your people remember your servants Abraham Isaac and Israel to whom you swore by your own self I will make you descendants as numerous as stars in the skies and I will give you descendants all this land I promise them and it will be their inheritance forever then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened okay" [00:04:00]

"again this is a difficult passage and it presents an image of god that is harsh violent vindictive it's a it's a passage where moses kind of takes the rational position is the one who is taking kind of an irrational god talking an irrational god down from destroying the israelites i've used the expression a few times throughout the course of the study full on old testament god and this passage is definitely one of those sections and i i need to tell you up front i'm unsettled about this passage and and some others like it that you that you sometimes run across particularly in the old testament i don't even begin to pretend to be an expert on this and there's a lot more about this topic that should be said entire books have have been devoted to addressing the issue of violence in the bible so i can't possibly begin to cover all of that in you know 10 or 15 minutes so my goal is to is to maybe point you to some possible ways of making sense of this without justifying it maybe you'll want to continue to explore and and you might even reach different conclusions than what i'm suggesting and that's okay but this is what i have found makes the most sense to me and and those answers that makes the most sense to me recognize the humanity of the bible's authors and also their intent and the way in which the bible was written and the culture that shaped him the approach i i take suggests that the parts of scripture where god is portrayed in a way that is is so inconsistent with jesus's life and message uh in other words when a particular teaching there's this problem that's at odds with what jesus said that we are right to consider" [00:04:38]

"what the passage may reflect about the culture, the worldview, and the perspectives of the human author of Scripture, rather than the timeless heart, character, and will of God. And, you know, and while it would be so much easier to decide to kind of skim over these and never go into these sections of Scriptures, I do think it would be a mistake, because there are a great many ways that God speaks through these biblical texts." [00:06:56]

"One of the most important reasons I think is to remind us of how easy it is for people of faith to invoke God's names in pursuit of violence, bloodshed, and war. I mean, remember the Crusaders marched into battle in Jerusalem in the name of Christ. Colonists from the old world arrived in the new world. Bibles in one hand, weapons in the other, to claim America for Christ." [00:07:18]

"Nazi belt buckles proclaim, Gott mit uns, God is with us, as they sought the extermination of the Jews and other undesirables. You know, Christian nations have often gone to war, invoking God in their efforts. And here's the thing." [00:07:22]

"If every word of the Bible was chosen by God, then our conclusion must be that, at least in the Old Testament period, God was a violent God, burning people alive, stoning them to death for anything that brought him the slightest offense, killing tens of thousands for the sins of their king, and commanding his own people to die for the sins of people, to wipe out entire cities and peoples." [00:07:39]

"But if we take the Bible's humanity seriously, we find the possibility that the violence of Scripture is a reflection of values and theology and moral visions of some of its human authors." [00:08:04]

"not of the god they sought to serve i suggested that we would judge all all the words of scripture in light of god's definitive word jesus christ because jesus taught that his followers were to love their neighbors turn the other cheek forgive those who wrong them and pray for those who persecute them ultimately the violence affirming passages of the old testament serve as a reminder how easily we might still be led to invoke god's name as a justification of violence in our world to the degree that we see jesus as the definitive word of god and that we listen carefully to his words we are able to free ourselves from that tragic part of the human condition and begin to learn to love as god loves and so uh that's heavy stuff i hope that makes a little sense but hang in there you know when i get to say this i'm going to say this i'm going to say this i'm going to say this i'm going to say this sections like this, sometimes I'm reminded of Psalm 119, 130, which says, the unfolding of your words gives light. It gives understanding to the simple." [00:08:17]

"I think this image of this gentle unfolding of God's word is beautiful, but yet, as we've seen this morning, there is this enormous complexity in almost every aspect of scripture. Yet, despite this, there is this simplicity as it unfolds. It's this singular story of God's love for us. You know, we talked about in the tabernacle, you know, God's presence with us. And so, even in its complexity, there is this overarching simple message of God wanting to have relationship with us, God's people, God's love for humanity, God's reconciliation and forgiveness of all things." [00:09:23]

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