Transforming Church: The Rise of Apostolic Centers
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1. "You don't need prophecy for that. This is what they wanted to do. They sense this as being an important way to advance their cause, an important way to help society change, to see the social transformation that they want to see, and that they want to bring about, and that they believe that God wants them to bring about. They're just going to work towards it, essentially. You don't need to be a prophet for that. You just need to be organized. And they're very well organized, that's for sure. They know how to network, and they know how to create structures that will facilitate the emergence of these centers." [09:39] (47 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
2. "Apostolic Centers serve for the advancement of the kingdom. And we'll see in just a few minutes how there's a shift, there's a paradigm shift that occurs. They often use the term their new wineskins. We got to dispose ourselves, this is what they will say, the former ways of operating or doing things, these are old wineskins. Now God is calling people to embrace new wineskins, that means a new way of bringing about ministry, a new way of doing the things that God wants His church to be done." [16:50] (37 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
3. "So apostolic centers, what they do is they essentially equip people to go out transform the world. So in summary, the particularity of these apostolic centers is simple. Apostolic centers versus what we can call maybe the pastoral church is that these centers are led by an apostle who functions not so much as a pastor himself or herself, but more like a CEO of a company. And of course, this apostle usually works with an apostolic team." [27:05] (45 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
4. "The kingdom has a government, and that government is supernatural, and the people of the kingdom of that government are sent by God into war. Okay? So there's warfare language that is attached to all of this notion of kingdom. So the kingdom, of course, if there is a kingdom, there is a king, and of course it's Jesus. The kingdom has an administration, that means that there is a specific structure, and we'll talk about that in just a few minutes. The kingdom has a culture, and that culture is, of course, is an ethical culture, at least how they define what constitutes ethics, but that ethical culture is, according to them, higher and better than the world's culture, and there is a need to implement that culture into the world." [23:52] (61 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
5. "The kingdom also has a territory, so it progresses in the world, it expands in the world. This is what dominionism is. It's not just about a city, but it's about, of course, a city, a state, a country, a continent, the world. The kingdom has also what he calls war units, meaning that kingdom people battle in a war. This is very clear. And this battle is against demonic forces, so there's a very, very much, there's this emphasis, over-emphasis, on this idea of spiritual warfare." [24:57] (45 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
6. "And this is why it's important to understand what these centers are. And they are more and more present a bit everywhere. And they don't have to be associated to a particular denomination. Often they're independent. But they're just in a network of relationships with other centers that are often independent. And they just kind of function this way together to bring about change, influence policies, politics if they can, and influence social change according to their vision of ethics and what constitutes for them Christianity." [31:09] (44 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
7. "So the result for all of this is the implementation of a kingdom now theology, or what we can call essentially dominionism, but from a charismatically oriented perspective. So it's really the charismatic brand of dominionism that will take precedence, that will establish itself throughout the world with global networks. It's this kind of dominionism that will be manifest and this is their goal essentially." [22:54] (42 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
8. "So apostolic centers are a bit different. They are different from that. They empower the people in the congregation that are called the saints. So they empower the saints for the harvest. You see, this brings us back to Todd Bentley's 2003 letter where he says that these apostolic resource centers will be for the harvest. So they are empowered for the harvest and for social transformation. So it's a kind of a maintenance-oriented approach in the local pastoral church versus a development and expansion approach." [30:01] (45 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
9. "So the people that are gathered, which we call the church, the ecclesia, is understood by these leaders as the, they are understood, these people, as the people of the kingdom. So the result for all of this is the implementation of a kingdom now theology, or what we can call essentially dominionism, but from a charismatically oriented perspective. So it's really the charismatic brand of dominionism that will take precedence, that will establish itself throughout the world with global networks. It's this kind of dominionism that will be manifest and this is their goal essentially." [22:07] (58 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
10. "So apostolic centers, what they do is they essentially equip people to go out transform the world. So in summary, the particularity of these apostolic centers is simple. Apostolic centers versus what we can call maybe the pastoral church is that these centers are led by an apostle who functions not so much as a pastor himself or herself, but more like a CEO of a company. And of course, this apostle usually works with an apostolic team." [27:05] (45 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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2. "Apostolic Centers serve for the advancement of the kingdom. And we'll see in just a few minutes how there's a shift, there's a paradigm shift that occurs. They often use the term their new wineskins. We got to dispose ourselves, this is what they will say, the former ways of operating or doing things, these are old wineskins. Now God is calling people to embrace new wineskins, that means a new way of bringing about ministry, a new way of doing the things that God wants His church to be done." [16:50] (37 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
3. "So apostolic centers, what they do is they essentially equip people to go out transform the world. So in summary, the particularity of these apostolic centers is simple. Apostolic centers versus what we can call maybe the pastoral church is that these centers are led by an apostle who functions not so much as a pastor himself or herself, but more like a CEO of a company. And of course, this apostle usually works with an apostolic team." [27:05] (45 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
4. "The kingdom has a government, and that government is supernatural, and the people of the kingdom of that government are sent by God into war. Okay? So there's warfare language that is attached to all of this notion of kingdom. So the kingdom, of course, if there is a kingdom, there is a king, and of course it's Jesus. The kingdom has an administration, that means that there is a specific structure, and we'll talk about that in just a few minutes. The kingdom has a culture, and that culture is, of course, is an ethical culture, at least how they define what constitutes ethics, but that ethical culture is, according to them, higher and better than the world's culture, and there is a need to implement that culture into the world." [23:52] (61 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
5. "The kingdom also has a territory, so it progresses in the world, it expands in the world. This is what dominionism is. It's not just about a city, but it's about, of course, a city, a state, a country, a continent, the world. The kingdom has also what he calls war units, meaning that kingdom people battle in a war. This is very clear. And this battle is against demonic forces, so there's a very, very much, there's this emphasis, over-emphasis, on this idea of spiritual warfare." [24:57] (45 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
6. "And this is why it's important to understand what these centers are. And they are more and more present a bit everywhere. And they don't have to be associated to a particular denomination. Often they're independent. But they're just in a network of relationships with other centers that are often independent. And they just kind of function this way together to bring about change, influence policies, politics if they can, and influence social change according to their vision of ethics and what constitutes for them Christianity." [31:09] (44 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
7. "So the result for all of this is the implementation of a kingdom now theology, or what we can call essentially dominionism, but from a charismatically oriented perspective. So it's really the charismatic brand of dominionism that will take precedence, that will establish itself throughout the world with global networks. It's this kind of dominionism that will be manifest and this is their goal essentially." [22:54] (42 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
8. "So apostolic centers are a bit different. They are different from that. They empower the people in the congregation that are called the saints. So they empower the saints for the harvest. You see, this brings us back to Todd Bentley's 2003 letter where he says that these apostolic resource centers will be for the harvest. So they are empowered for the harvest and for social transformation. So it's a kind of a maintenance-oriented approach in the local pastoral church versus a development and expansion approach." [30:01] (45 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
9. "So the people that are gathered, which we call the church, the ecclesia, is understood by these leaders as the, they are understood, these people, as the people of the kingdom. So the result for all of this is the implementation of a kingdom now theology, or what we can call essentially dominionism, but from a charismatically oriented perspective. So it's really the charismatic brand of dominionism that will take precedence, that will establish itself throughout the world with global networks. It's this kind of dominionism that will be manifest and this is their goal essentially." [22:07] (58 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
10. "So apostolic centers, what they do is they essentially equip people to go out transform the world. So in summary, the particularity of these apostolic centers is simple. Apostolic centers versus what we can call maybe the pastoral church is that these centers are led by an apostle who functions not so much as a pastor himself or herself, but more like a CEO of a company. And of course, this apostle usually works with an apostolic team." [27:05] (45 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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