Refining Fire: Understanding God's Justice and Mercy

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1. "And so we see Jesus. As someone who's gone through a furnace and as a result of going through the furnace is brilliant to look at is purified in some way, which should make us scratch our heads a little bit. Cause we're like, what did Jesus need to be purified from or, or whatever, which we can get to that in the last conversation. But this idea that Jesus himself went through some kind of furnace experience. And as a result, we are invited not to be afraid because he holds the keys to death and Hades." [08:51] (32 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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2. "And I think we're going to see a difference as we track this theme between what happens when humans try to wield fire and furnaces and when God wields fire and furnaces. And I think what we'll find, at least what's jumped out to me as I kind of prepared to lead this was that when humans wield fire and furnaces, it's all about them. It's usually tied to destroying anybody that would stand against them. And what ultimately ends up happening is it's wielded out of anger and it destroys what is good and leaves what is evil." [13:14] (38 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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3. "And so even with Sodom and Gomorrah, even in the place of like, we got to completely wipe this out and start over. Even there, there's a sense in which God is a God of mercy who uses something like judgment to then on the other side of judgment, create something good or something pure. Purified or something better." [41:12] (22 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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4. "And so God shows up and makes this really big promise. And it's a promise that has been refined to perfection. You can really trust this promise. Because it's like silver that's been refined seven times. So what a beautiful promise that we see there. Yeah, it's very hopeful because God's promises are perfect promises that are just like silver refined in a furnace seven times, which is such a beautiful thing." [58:29] (94 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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5. "And so throughout these examples of the furnace, we see when God wields the furnace and the fire, that which is good is that which is left. And it's not just left over, like, oh, it didn't get burned up. It's actually strengthened, which brings us back to where we started this conversation about God's promises. They're so pure. It's like silver refined to perfection. And so fire and furnace, throughout this conversation, have represented that place of refining, of testing quality." [01:04:16] (29 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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### Quotes for Members

1. "And so one of the questions we have to ask with all of these stories and with all of the hard things that we run into. And the Bible is why, why is this there, Lord? And maybe that can be the only question. Sometimes that's probably a good enough question. Sometimes just why is this there, Lord? And maybe we never get a clear answer, but sometimes digging in gives us a little help." [04:40] (19 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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2. "And so God's like, man, if things are this bad, I have to do something. And so God's like, man, if things are this bad, I have to do something about it. And so if somebody could read Genesis 19, verses 15 through 16 for us. Did anything jump out to you about that interaction? Yep. And so we have this little glimpse of mercy here as God leads them out of the city." [35:26] (60 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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3. "And so we see this idea of God using the adversity that they experienced as a part of him, creating them into his own people, his treasured possession. And so what does the furnace do here as it's used in this passage? Reveals is a good word, right? We haven't really talked about that as much. In the metaphor here, so the furnace reveals the impurities in the gold and silver. The Lord is just like that furnace, but reveals what? Yeah. So that would be the bad that God would maybe burn out of the heart. But then at the same time, what also would the furnace do? It would strengthen those things that are good in us as well, right?" [01:02:15] (52 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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4. "And so it might be worth rewinding a little bit. So Abraham goes to the place where he met God before. So that means there's a whole context there. Where did he meet God before in this section of a story? So Genesis 18. And we talked about in our series on the trees about how collections of trees are often in the ancient Near East places that gods would show up. They were places that would be thought of as kind of outdoor temple areas where you could meet God. And so God shows up in their context in the way that they would expect God to show up and meets Abraham there, which is really cool." [19:14] (49 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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5. "And so there's, first of all, two kind of funny things that show up in this story to me, is the conversation between God and Abraham first. Who's God talking to? Yeah. I don't know. Himself. He's kind of having like this out loud conversation to himself that Abraham overhears, which is kind of funny. Should I hide my plan? Right. Yeah. And then he says, I need to go down and figure out if what I've heard is true. Does that feel weird to you at all? Thinking about who God is? Yes. Why would that be weird to us? Yeah. So what's kind of the reason that God is having this conversation out loud where Abraham can hear it?" [20:51] (43 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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