Navigating Leadership: Embracing Difficult Individuals for Success

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And volunteer organizations are tricky because oftentimes you're asking the volunteers not only to give their time, but to support the organization with their money so that they will have somewhere to volunteer. Just think about that for a minute. I mean, yeah, that's amazing. To lead a volunteer organization, it's like give us your time and your money so we can continue to create an organization so you can give us your time. [00:01:16]

And I was tempted to remove her and to invite her to go volunteer somewhere else. What you do. I. Mean, think about in a volunteer organization, when you fire a volunteer, what you're saying is we would be better off without your free time. Exactly. I mean, that's harsh. We would be better off if you would not give us your time. Your time. [00:03:14]

The goal in dealing with difficult people is not to remove them. It's what we talked about last time. It's owning our part of what makes it difficult and then deciding are they worth it. And in many cases, they are worth it. They are worth a little drama. They're worth a little relational equity loss. They're worth having to circle back around and patch some things up. [00:03:50]

You don't have to love everybody you work with. You don't have to get along with everybody you work with. You don't have to look forward to everybody you work with. Because if the mission of the organization, and especially in an organization like ours, but really any organization that's productive and is making the world a better place, whether it's a product or a service, as leaders, we just have to be mature enough to work with some people that we don't enjoy. [00:04:19]

And it's worth a little bit of whatever it is, contrarian or a little bit of negativity to make sure that you don't run headlong into something that you haven't investigated everything that needs to be investigated. So it is exactly what you said. You have to check yourself and realize they're worth it and they're worth investing in. And then on the back end, you end up really appreciating and ultimately enjoying them. [00:06:47]

He requires a different kind of leadership. He requires a different kind of leadership, and he's so valuable. It is worth breaking the traditional rules because of the value he brings to the organization. And it doesn't work if everybody's that way. But the point of this conversation is, and again, I wouldn't even call him a difficult person, but it was difficult for other people because I did treat him and I owned that. [00:08:31]

We have to recognize that we don't have to love everybody the same. We don't have to enjoy everybody the same. We keep the big picture in mind, and we try to create an environment where even the more difficult people can thrive because again, oftentimes they bring so much to the table. So our conversation today has really been about how do you manage and lead people that are worth keeping in the organization because of what they do for the organization. [00:09:11]

What about if you realize that you're having less energy to manage the organization to move things forward because you're spending so much energy managing that difficult person, how do you know when it's time for them to go? That's a really important question. But real quick to our podcast listeners before I answer that question, and Suzy, that's a great question. [00:09:49]

When it begins to impede other people's progress, when other people feel like they're having to work around The work around, and as a leader, it's something that you sense, it's not a mystery. And if you're like me, you put it off because now there's a relationship. You care about this person. They've added so much value, they haven't really done anything wrong. It's just not worth it anymore. I think it's the simple way to say it. [00:12:39]

As long as is Healthy, You hang on as long as you, I don't want to say as long as you possibly can, as long as it's healthy. When it becomes unhealthy, then you have those difficult conversations. And in some cases, they can change the behavior because they're so committed to the organization, Hey, just tell me what to do. And in one case, this particular individual said that, just tell me what I need to do. [00:14:01]

And I said to this person, I said, no, I just think it's time. You've sort of outgrown this organization and you're too good. So it worked out, But It's something you sense. There are no hard and fast rules, but it is okay to let Michael Jordan go warm up in his own head in the closet if he needs to, because the goal isn't to have a wonderful team meeting and sing Kumbaya. It's to win games and points on the board. [00:14:25]

You make exceptions for certain players, but at the same time, the health of the organization is something to keep in mind as well. That's such a great takeaway, Andy. Thank you for sharing these insights. And to our listeners, thank you for joining us for this episode of Reverb. Before we leave, we have one ask, and that's to subscribe. By subscribing you help us grow the audience, which allows us to keep improving, bringing you great guests and great content to help you as a leader. [00:14:56]

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