Modesty and Unity: Understanding Paul's Teachings
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1. "But listen, today we are going to begin a message through what some may argue is potentially some of the most difficult passages in the Bible to deal with. These are these is that forever debated, forever argued, forever disagreed upon passage. First Timothy two, nine through 15. But we're only going to look at two today. I ain't going to make y'all mad. It means too much in one day. So we're going to start with a week to recover. Then we'll come back for week number two." [43:48] (37 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
2. "Now, obviously, the truth is, we know that there is only one true and real interpretation. However, in our infallible, flawed abilities to understand or to see in part, some texts aren't that clear to us. And so we do the best we can to interpret it, do the best we can to demonstrate how we're getting there. But if you so happen to hear me talk today and come away with a completely different understanding of the passage. Bless your soul. However, on the way of blessing your soul, make sure if you choose to tell me that you disagree, that you do me the respect of at least coming to me with scholarship and research and not your emotions. Amen." [45:42] (41 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
3. "Ladies, in the same way that a man's unholy behavior can hinder and distract from deeds of worship, so can your wardrobe. In the same way that a man's unholy behavior can hinder and distract from deeds of worship, so can your wardrobe. And I know this is a touchy subject, right? Come on, just teach it. We know this is a touchy subject. And to be fair, it's touchy. On one side, I understand where it's kind of like frustration, where it's like, how come every time we talk about modesty, it's always talking about directed towards the women and how the women dress." [51:07] (34 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
4. "The Bible does not tell us to tempt each other or cause offense to each other and then point the finger at the tempted and the offended. All right? We got to remember that. If we are doing things that we know can be tempting, we don't get tempted. To do them without care and then point the finger at the one who got tempted or offended by the thing we willfully chose to do. Right? And what the Bible teaches us instead, Romans 14 and 13, So that text has way more implications than just modesty. It's in general." [54:08] (39 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
5. "But if you are a Christian, the reality is Christianity is rooted in considering others. It is rooted in that. That's why after Paul tells the church to consider others highly, more highly than yourself, in verse 5 he says, having this mind that is in Christ Jesus. In other words, we do this because this is what Christ did. We follow in his example. He considered us more highly than himself, first and foremost, when he chose to come to the cross on our behalf. He didn't do nothing. He did it. He did it for us." [56:01] (30 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
6. "And so, the instructions addressed respectfully does not relate to our internal self-evaluation whether it relates to our external interactions with others. The other reason why is this word, after he says proper clothing, he says modestly, right? Which is that Greek word, ideos, which means to not cause shame or offense towards another, right? So, this word modesty that he uses there, by the way, Paul, the only one that used this word. You can search the Bible in this Greek word. He's the only one that used it. And when he uses it, the word means to not... To not cause shame or offense towards another." [01:01:15] (44 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
7. "In a place where different ethnicities, genders, economic statuses, and classism all come together to worship, indication of rank should have no place. Should have no place. Remember, Paul says in Galatians 3, 27 and 28. For all of you who were baptized in Christ. Have clothed yourself with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek. There is neither slave nor free. There is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ. Paul says in the worship place, there is all different types of people present. You got men. And you got women. You got free men. You got slave men. You got Greeks. You got Gentiles. He said you got all of these different classes of people. But in Christ, we all come together and we worship together." [01:30:39] (39 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
8. "When a person comes to the faith in Christ, the divisions and distinctions of the world do not apply. This doesn't mean that men and women roles don't exist. We I am not egalitarian are those words they use, right? No, a man is a man and a woman is a woman. We're going to stay there, right? Doesn't mean that there's not ethnic distinctions. Yes, you black, you white, you Asian, you Filipino, you would like that show ethnicity, embrace it, love it, be who you are. So we're not erasing that, you know, you're no longer African. Yes, you is. That's why our core value is belonging. We want you to feel like you have an authentic sense of worship here without assimilating to the culture, meaning be who you are." [01:33:44] (36 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
9. "So again, I'm not saying be busted. I'm not saying you got to wear buddies because somebody else got to wear buddies. I'm not saying that. Not. But I'm saying be mindful when you come into the house of God, making sure that how you present yourself is not doing something to somebody else that is harming them. Make sense? That's why he says, okay, now, let's get to what y'all wanted me to say. Because that's universal. But Paul's still dealing with women. And he's still saying this to women for a specific reason. And the reason that he's saying this to women is the second cuss word as we get ready to get out of here. There's a context that takes place between verse 9 and 15." [01:36:30] (48 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
10. "Submission is not about being less than. You can be a fellow heir in the ministry and still be in submission to male leadership. And so you don't have to try to usurp it. There's going to be some bad leadership and some bad thoughts. I get that. But when you have a good male leadership, you don't have to usurp anything. Because we understand our role of leadership. And we understand, especially as a husband, one of the verses that I always hold on to. When I understand my role and responsibility to my wife is in first Peter three, eight, where he says husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way as with someone weaker. Since she is a woman." [01:45:29] (51 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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2. "Now, obviously, the truth is, we know that there is only one true and real interpretation. However, in our infallible, flawed abilities to understand or to see in part, some texts aren't that clear to us. And so we do the best we can to interpret it, do the best we can to demonstrate how we're getting there. But if you so happen to hear me talk today and come away with a completely different understanding of the passage. Bless your soul. However, on the way of blessing your soul, make sure if you choose to tell me that you disagree, that you do me the respect of at least coming to me with scholarship and research and not your emotions. Amen." [45:42] (41 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
3. "Ladies, in the same way that a man's unholy behavior can hinder and distract from deeds of worship, so can your wardrobe. In the same way that a man's unholy behavior can hinder and distract from deeds of worship, so can your wardrobe. And I know this is a touchy subject, right? Come on, just teach it. We know this is a touchy subject. And to be fair, it's touchy. On one side, I understand where it's kind of like frustration, where it's like, how come every time we talk about modesty, it's always talking about directed towards the women and how the women dress." [51:07] (34 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
4. "The Bible does not tell us to tempt each other or cause offense to each other and then point the finger at the tempted and the offended. All right? We got to remember that. If we are doing things that we know can be tempting, we don't get tempted. To do them without care and then point the finger at the one who got tempted or offended by the thing we willfully chose to do. Right? And what the Bible teaches us instead, Romans 14 and 13, So that text has way more implications than just modesty. It's in general." [54:08] (39 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
5. "But if you are a Christian, the reality is Christianity is rooted in considering others. It is rooted in that. That's why after Paul tells the church to consider others highly, more highly than yourself, in verse 5 he says, having this mind that is in Christ Jesus. In other words, we do this because this is what Christ did. We follow in his example. He considered us more highly than himself, first and foremost, when he chose to come to the cross on our behalf. He didn't do nothing. He did it. He did it for us." [56:01] (30 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
6. "And so, the instructions addressed respectfully does not relate to our internal self-evaluation whether it relates to our external interactions with others. The other reason why is this word, after he says proper clothing, he says modestly, right? Which is that Greek word, ideos, which means to not cause shame or offense towards another, right? So, this word modesty that he uses there, by the way, Paul, the only one that used this word. You can search the Bible in this Greek word. He's the only one that used it. And when he uses it, the word means to not... To not cause shame or offense towards another." [01:01:15] (44 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
7. "In a place where different ethnicities, genders, economic statuses, and classism all come together to worship, indication of rank should have no place. Should have no place. Remember, Paul says in Galatians 3, 27 and 28. For all of you who were baptized in Christ. Have clothed yourself with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek. There is neither slave nor free. There is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ. Paul says in the worship place, there is all different types of people present. You got men. And you got women. You got free men. You got slave men. You got Greeks. You got Gentiles. He said you got all of these different classes of people. But in Christ, we all come together and we worship together." [01:30:39] (39 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
8. "When a person comes to the faith in Christ, the divisions and distinctions of the world do not apply. This doesn't mean that men and women roles don't exist. We I am not egalitarian are those words they use, right? No, a man is a man and a woman is a woman. We're going to stay there, right? Doesn't mean that there's not ethnic distinctions. Yes, you black, you white, you Asian, you Filipino, you would like that show ethnicity, embrace it, love it, be who you are. So we're not erasing that, you know, you're no longer African. Yes, you is. That's why our core value is belonging. We want you to feel like you have an authentic sense of worship here without assimilating to the culture, meaning be who you are." [01:33:44] (36 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
9. "So again, I'm not saying be busted. I'm not saying you got to wear buddies because somebody else got to wear buddies. I'm not saying that. Not. But I'm saying be mindful when you come into the house of God, making sure that how you present yourself is not doing something to somebody else that is harming them. Make sense? That's why he says, okay, now, let's get to what y'all wanted me to say. Because that's universal. But Paul's still dealing with women. And he's still saying this to women for a specific reason. And the reason that he's saying this to women is the second cuss word as we get ready to get out of here. There's a context that takes place between verse 9 and 15." [01:36:30] (48 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
10. "Submission is not about being less than. You can be a fellow heir in the ministry and still be in submission to male leadership. And so you don't have to try to usurp it. There's going to be some bad leadership and some bad thoughts. I get that. But when you have a good male leadership, you don't have to usurp anything. Because we understand our role of leadership. And we understand, especially as a husband, one of the verses that I always hold on to. When I understand my role and responsibility to my wife is in first Peter three, eight, where he says husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way as with someone weaker. Since she is a woman." [01:45:29] (51 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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