Lessons from Church History: Faithfulness Over Fame

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"because it's really important I think as you look over the history of the church to realize that all of our heroes were sinful men and women they didn't all understand the gospel perfectly and some of the greatest of them had real flaws and when we discovered that our heroes have flaws, it does help us I think to look at church history with a gentler eye" [00:03:20]

"and I think when we do that we become much when we see that we become much less arrogant in the way in which we think about characters in the history of the church and for that reason church history is a very helpful study for us I liked one of the lines you said touching on that you said we can have hearts that have been washed cleaner than our heads" [00:05:00]

"what we should fear is not persecution in the church or coming to the church but but false teaching yes one of the dominant themes I think in the early Christians I think I maybe even put it like this in the book that martyrdom will never kill you ultimately but false teaching always well martyrdom will never destroy the church but false teaching will always destroy the church" [00:08:12]

"and interestingly you they believe that but we are living in a time when that is is much clearer to us in terms of our experience of the world than it could have been to them because we recognize that many of the parts of the world where the Christian Church has flourished in the last hundred years have been those parts of the world that has suffered greatest persecution" [00:08:46]

"you say faithfulness is far more significant than Fame when Jesus is building his church and you talk about significant figures of the 4th century and just note that the people that the Lord used to bring them to faith we don't know their names and and God has this habit of just plucking the ordinary people out and using them for his glory" [00:09:43]

"and part you know part of I think the importance of beginning to see this is that the all the way through the history of the Christian Church that is all that is always this tendency for particular figures to arise that we look on as though they operated completely individually and in my reading of church history this is true virtually without exception" [00:10:26]

"and I think you can see this in so many different ways therefore we are the first ones to quotes invent how to court do Church and when we do that we we keep repeating the mistakes of the past because we don't know that others did exactly what we did in their culture and it failed in their culture and it will fail in our culture as well" [00:13:35]

"and it will be yet another passing phase and once we get caught up in these things will never build stable churches and actually will never have will always have a moving christian life and we need to go down not only theologically down but it's really helpful for us to go historically down so that we've got solid roots in the big family to which we belong" [00:14:09]

"and so their monastic community was not withdrawn from the world what was embedded in the world and so they built their monasteries and places where people were not where people were not in order that they might communicate the gospel and a Patrick minion Columba all belonged to to that order of monks they were they were missionary monks" [00:15:55]

"and I personally regard the loss of the evening service as one of the single greatest disasters of the Western Church and and mike-mike spirit my experiences that people don't realize it and ask why should that be because they've never actually experienced it and part of the reason for that is because we've had the unwisdom to think of building bigger" [00:17:10]

"and there are many Christians who have a tendency to think that the gospel works best when the world treats us most gently and again we'll we are living in the very century in which has become abundantly clear but actually there are verses the truth and we should learn something from that we should learn how important it is that our church seems to be really different from the world" [00:18:39]

"and that will show up the character of our discipleship we have such a tendency I think to be Christians in the world and look at what the world is doing to the church as though that were something strange and when we do that we simply get discouraged and we need to remember Peters world there is nothing strange about this at all" [00:24:39]

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