Integrating Philosophy and Faith for Spiritual Transformation

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"Well certainly by no wisdom of my own, I assure you I went through Baptist schools, three in my undergraduate education and when I finished at Baylor my wife and I went back to Macon Georgia where she was from and we taught school and I was assistant pastor at a Baptist church there and during that year I decided I was almost terminally ignorant about God in the soul and I found an awful lot of it in the Bible, but not any helpful teaching about it beyond what you could just glean from the wording of the scripture." [00:01:25]

"Well if I may uh that was actually going to be my second question if I could insert it here your studies are more than anything else in epistemology so how has that informed your writing on the spiritual disciplines, the life of God and the soul of man if I could if I could use that yes, great old traditional term I wish we knew more about that topic, but it's really for example, the first book I published and all of the books in religion that I publish basically come out of a series of talks that I give." [00:07:26]

"Well related to this discussion is what is truth and can we know it and I think that the church in many areas the church is debating to what extent we can know truth well this is one of the amusing things about our ordinary universities from the east to the west the most common statement that is written in stone and not with spray cans on university walls is you will know the truth and the truth will make you free." [00:14:04]

"Truth is embarrassing to people now on the campus and truth is a very simple thing you know your beliefs are true if what they are about is as you believe it to be that's true it's very simple children know it and they know the difficulties of truth and you never have to teach them to lie because they understand truth and if you tell them something is not true and they find out they will reproach you for it." [00:14:49]

"Well profoundly profoundly and I'm so glad you asked that question because one of the crusades that I have been on for years and currently is to help people understand uh the difference between having knowledge of truth and just having belief and this is a big problem for our churches because many of them have accepted the repositioning of Christian teaching outside the domain of knowledge into something called faith now." [00:17:54]

"Faith environment and knowledge is what stabilizes our lives knowledge gives you the right and responsibility to act to supervise action to formulate policy and supervise its implementation and to teach faith does not give you any of those and now you you may begin to realize what a position we've gotten ourselves into in this country in our culture is the church basically gave knowledge." [00:19:36]

"Well let me just quickly relate it to the issue of transformation and renewing of the mind first of all one has to realize the human mind is pretty small it can't take a lot of stuff and hold it before even at its best so the real question is what are we to occupy our minds with and the answer of our tradition uh is with the truth about God and about human life under God." [00:22:50]

"So the point of all of this is to occupy the mind with the truth about God and about his relationship to us and uh one reason why I recommend Colossians 3 to people is it is such a compact and yet clear portrayal of what you do with your mind and it starts with if you then be risen with Christ seek those things that are above see seeking those things that are above is where you put your mind." [00:23:33]

"Now how do you do that and the answer is well of course you teach and you preach but it becomes an individual project of embedding the scriptures in our minds so that they are running there constantly whatever our situation and wherever we are and so the way you do that is by memorization now you can get a lot of it just by attending good teaching there's a lot of it in our songs." [00:24:58]

"These kinds of of spiritual disciplines bible memorization this is not any kind of um uh you know new thing no so my question for you is has this has this been something that the church has kind of always done but never never you know central to the church's activity or is it something that has been lost more recently well I think it has been lost and in fact if you go back to the early year early early centuries of the church." [00:29:20]

"Well the affections follow thoughts thoughts don't follow the affections in the same degree but if you want to change people's feelings you want to change their thoughts and now that's where the will or the heart as I call it becomes involved you bring people to a knowledge of Christ by bringing the gospel to them the good news that's thought God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that's knowledge I would say." [00:33:55]

"Knowledge communicated in power is the secret to the problems solving the problems of humanity and we as ministers and teachers have the responsibility of bringing that to bear and then we're in great opposition to a world system which denies that so we really have to understand the significance of of this idea of knowledge and power and Paul's great statement in what is it second Corinthians 10 I think I've got my reference wrong here but you'll recognize it where he says for we war not against flesh and blood." [00:41:09]

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