"Oh, good morning. It really is a joy for me to be with you and honor. Like Phil said, since he and his family got into town, I remember we had our very first coffee. We got connected through a mutual friend. And our friendship, my personal friendship with your pastor has been one of the... One of the most invigorating and surprisingly life-giving gifts in recent years for me. And even beyond my relationship with Phil, I'm a Bay Area kid. I serve on staff at a church just south of here in San Jose called Westgate, like Phil said. But before that, I'm just a Bay Area kid. I wasn't born here, but I grew up here and grew up going to church. My mother still to this day is one of the most committed followers of Jesus I know. So I grew up being a church. Two, three times a week. And 20 years ago when I stepped into local church ministry, I remember Menlo being one of those churches that had just, on a number of levels, such a deep, profound influence on me."
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"Sixteen years, and it's been beautiful, and we've got two young children. We have a nine-year-old daughter named Harper and a six-year-old son named Simon, and even if you're not good at math, you can tell. Sixteen years of marriage and a nine-year-old daughter, there was a bit of a gap from when we got married to when we had children, which is actually pretty commonplace these days, especially here in the Bay Area and Silicon Valley. We're so career-oriented, but that wasn't our intention. Actually, shortly after Jenny and I were married, we wanted to see if we could have children, and so we began trying pretty early, and then we were faced with a situation that some of you, maybe many of you, will be familiar with. We went through a season of about half-decade, about five, six years of infertility, and those of you for whom infertility is a part of your story, maybe now or it was in the past, you know it's just like this dark, ominous cloud that hangs over everything, and thankfully, we had children, but I have plenty of friends who shared those experiences with us and continue on that journey, which is really painful and hard, and when I think back to our years of infertility, those five or six years, there was a really unique sort of thing, this really destructive rhythm, habit that I found myself wrapped up in."
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"I would open my smartphone, and I would begin scrolling social media, and because we had friends who were same age, same life stage as us, people that we absolutely deeply love, who had gotten married right around the time we got married, and they started trying to have children right around the time we started having, trying to have children. The only difference was these friends of ours didn't, they weren't dealing with infertility, and so on social media, there would be these like pregnancy posts, you know what I'm talking about? The little black and white photo of like a weird shape that is their baby, that kind of thing. It's like, I can't believe it, baby so-and-so coming in June, and over and over again. And these are men and women that I love."
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"Just time and time again, instead of feeling joy, all I could feel was, well, why God? Why do they get this beautiful gift, and we don't? And then sadly, destructively, that comparison began to devolve into contempt. Honestly, just confessing here, I began to feel contempt in my body toward men and women whom I absolutely adored and loved, and they had not done anything to me. They were in this season of immense joy, and all I could feel was comparison and contempt, and that led me to a loss of joy. I remember it was like five or six years for Jenny and I where it felt like all of the joy was just emptied from our life. And so because the joy was gone, I started searching for supplements and substitutes to feel better."
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"In the late 1990s, there was a British psychologist named Michael Asink, and he coined a phrase, a term, the hedonic treadmill. Hedonic meaning hedonism, the pursuit of pleasure. And he called it a treadmill because his understanding was that in the modern West, many of us have become addicted to the pursuit of pleasure, to hedonism, to feeling good. But it's a treadmill because this pursuit of pleasure keeps us running and chasing but never arriving. And the reason is we tend, when we're seeking pleasure, human beings essentially are chasing sparks because pleasure never lasts. It comes and goes. And these sparks that we are chasing in our lives, they are these momentary pleasures disguised as joy. But the problem is when the spark is gone, so is the joy. And we're left right back at the beginning."
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"Having served as a pastor in a local church for about 20 years now, I have had countless pastoral counseling meetings in my office that are so heartbreaking. Pastoral counseling meetings with a man and a woman whose marriage is falling apart. And they're all different. All of the stories are different and unique. But there's this through line that is common in almost every single one of these marriages falling apart pastoral counseling sessions that I have had over the years. And the through line is that at some point in the conversation, one or both of the spouses will say some version of the line will ultimately, Jay, honestly, just, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 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