Finding God’s Presence Amidst Suffering and Doubt

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### Quotes for Outreach

1. "Why do bad things happen to good people? It's a question that goes around. It becomes apparent. We know people like Job. When there is a senseless tragedy, when something happens to a young person, we think, why does it happen? Now there are also theologians, and one in particular is a popular theologian, I like this guy, but he's famous for saying, the question isn't why do bad things happen to good people, the question is why do good things happen to bad people?" [09:43] (35 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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2. "It's okay to doubt. It's okay to ask these questions. It's okay to wonder. A couple of weeks ago, we talked about the false promise of prosperity. You can't find a promise of prosperity in Job. But there's another false thing going on even in our circles. And in the Christianity that we find ourselves in. And that's this. This thinking about doubt. Total certainty about God. Or even from God. Is a false promise." [18:14] (47 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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3. "You want certainty? Stop trying to figure out all the stuff that's going down in your life. Stop trying to figure out the circumstances. We are so circumstance oriented. We got to come back to Job and get Job's answer. Because Job in his circumstances, he's not finding the answer. In fact, God never answers why he's in this circumstance. This world is falling. We are falling. We are falling creatures. We don't have explanations." [32:45] (35 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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4. "What we need in these moments is presence, the presence of God, the presence of Jesus. That's our certainty. That's our hope. That's our comfort. I can't explain to you why you just lost your daughter, but I can tell you that Jesus has you, that Jesus is with you. That's our hope. That's our comfort. That's our certainty. That's the Jesus who is present for us." [37:51] (33 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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### Quotes for Members

1. "The reason Job resonates with us is because a lot of the opinions being expressed, whether they're right or not in this book, is stuff we've thought about. It connects with us. This is who we are. This is the stuff we're saying. Especially when there aren't any cameras or mics or anything, right? This is the stuff we're saying." [02:44] (22 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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2. "Job points this out that there are plenty of people who are not living right who are being blessed by God. And there are plenty of people who are living right where stuff like this happens. And again, they're twisting scripture. They're taking scriptures that talk about reward and punishment as if it's karma. As if God is some kind of a karma figure who's always going to make sure that there's retribution for people that do bad things. There's no promise about that in the Bible." [08:03] (37 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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3. "The key question of the book then is, as we read, and as we listen to the conversation going down between Job and his friends, can God be trusted? Is God someone that you can trust? Is God someone that you can stake everything on? Is he someone to be believed?" [08:58] (21 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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4. "Our salvation is not grounded in our certainty. Is it grounded in certain things? Well absolutely. I'm not saying. That we don't have facts. In the scripture. That help us with our faith. Or that even produce our faith. Like the fact of the cross and the resurrection. Absolutely. But my salvation is not dependent on my certainty." [21:37] (27 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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5. "The presence of God is what Job needs. All of his doubts it really is that simple. The presence of God is what Job needs now as God begins to speak we read a real small snippet of it in our in what Henry wrote read God rattles off you know the first question is where were you he rattles off 70 questions rat-a-tat-tat it was like bullets." [26:50] (45 seconds) (Download raw clip | Download cropped clip)
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