Finding Faith in God's Hidden Presence

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so god never forsakes his people but he sometimes withdraws from them the sweetness of communion with him he hides his face as the psalmist says in about a dozen places and his question is why would god do that to his own children but first let me make the case that he already accepts he doesn't need me to make the case but my guess is some of our listeners are saying really yeah [00:01:40]

in the way god relates to his people god is never wrathful toward his forgiven justified redeemed loved secure children christ has absorbed all of god's wrath and we have passed out of death into life we have moved beyond judgment because the death of christ is our condemnation we don't bear it anymore [00:04:41]

the lord reproves him whom he loves as a father the son in whom he delights that's amazing we reprove the very son in whom we delight and in the new testament hebrews the book of hebrews quotes that very proverb in reference to the suffering of christians and says have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons [00:05:43]

and that discipline sometimes includes seasons of spiritual darkness when god turns his face away for example turns his face away from answering our prayer like james 4 3 you ask and do not receive because you ask wrongly to spend it on your passions in other words i'm looking away from that prayer your attitude and your your motives are so corrupt [00:06:33]

he does it to teach us the value of his precious presence by withdrawing it for a season ephesians 1 18 paul prays for the ephesians that the eyes of their hearts would be enlightened to know god he's praying for christians because the brightness and the light of god's preciousness is not always as clear as it should be or as that we we want it to be [00:07:30]

to teach us our own weakness in holding fast to christ and keeping a clear view of his face our weakness to keep a clear view of his face so that we are humbled and made to realize how utterly dependent we are on god to keep his face before our hearts eyes that's why paul's praying it's god's doing [00:08:35]

i think he does this to remind us what it was like to be lost without christ in ephesians 2 12 paul commands us remember that you were at that time separated from christ he never wants us to forget what a wonder it is that god has revealed his beautiful face to us removed separation stepped in lifted the veil made his face bright to us in the gospel [00:09:45]

from time to time he allows us to taste that former darkness so that we will come trembling back to the word and prayer and the cross and lay hold on god in a fresh way and love our salvation more than ever so my prayer for all of you all our friends who listen to these programs is that when you walk through such a season [00:10:22]

let him who walks in darkness and has no light trust in the name of the lord and rely on his god because as hosea 6 3 says his going out is sure as the dawn he will come to us as the showers as the spring rains that water the earth so good isaiah is super helpful and important here [00:10:56]

the god who hides himself from us is the same god we hope in we've got to get that right it's important thank you pastor john and thank you for joining us today you can ask a question of your own search our growing archive or subscribe to the podcast all at desiringgod.org forward slash ask pastor john [00:11:36]

and that discipline sometimes includes seasons of spiritual darkness when god turns his face away for example turns his face away from answering our prayer like james 4 3 you ask and do not receive because you ask wrongly to spend it on your passions in other words i'm looking away from that prayer your attitude and your your motives are so corrupt [00:06:33]

he does it to teach us the value of his precious presence by withdrawing it for a season ephesians 1 18 paul prays for the ephesians that the eyes of their hearts would be enlightened to know god he's praying for christians because the brightness and the light of god's preciousness is not always as clear as it should be or as that we we want it to be [00:07:30]

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