Faith and Reason: Navigating Apologetics Today

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One of the main ones was what I've already defined as fideism, where people try to just leap over the ditch, or jump over the wall, or go around it, dig under it, through faith, saying, "No we can't argue convincingly for the existence of God. This is something that you just have to take on faith." [00:00:51]

And that reminds me of one of my favorite illustrations that I used to hear from Jim Boyce, where he told the story of the mountain climber who was high up on the wall of the mountain, a couple of thousand feet from the canyon floor, when all of the sudden, his rope broke and he started to fall. [00:01:37]

And he reached out and grabbed a hold of a tiny little branch that was growing out of the rocks, and he was holding on with all of his might, with one hand suspended, two thousand feet above the ground, and he could -- he could feel that the branch was coming loose from the side of the rock face. [00:01:57]

And suddenly, there was this deep voice coming out of the clouds saying, "I can help you. Trust Me. Let go of the branch and have faith." So then the mountain climber looked up at the clouds, and he looked down in the canyon floor, and he looked back up at the clouds and said, "Is there anybody else up there that can help me?" [00:02:23]

But again, people are saying that the way of the Christian world is the way of faith, not the way of reason. The ancient church father, Tertullian, raised the question rhetorically, "What does Jerusalem have to do with Athens?" And he said, "I believe Christianity because it's absurd." [00:03:08]

Others take the position that the way to reconstruct theism is through appeals to history. I have many friends who are apologists who take this route, acknowledging that arguments from the field of history can never give you absolute proof but only a high degree of probability based upon empirical investigation, but that that high degree of probability gives you what's called moral certainty. [00:03:54]

The evidentialists argue that the evidence drawn from history and elsewhere gives you a high degree of probability for the existence of God, where the classicist argues that proof for the existence of God is conclusive -- that it is, in fact, compelling -- that it is actual proof and leaves people without any excuse whatsoever. [00:07:32]

The book that I co-authored with John Gerstner and Lindsley we entitled "Classical Apologetics" includes in one-third of that book a comprehensive critique of presuppositionalism. So because of that book that Art Lindsley and John Gerstner and I authored, we have become engaged in ongoing dialog within the reformed camp with respect to what is the preferred approach to doing apologetics. [00:09:16]

The presuppositional approach says this: that in order to arrive at the conclusion that God exists, in order to prove the existence of God, you must start with your primary premise, your first premise, being the presupposition of the existence of God. In other words, that unless you start by presupposing the existence of God, you will never get to the conclusion of the existence of God. [00:10:52]

What he's saying, is that if you want to assume rationality, to even assume rationality, involves you, out of necessity, of presupposing the existence of God because without God, there is no foundation for rationality. There's no foundation for trusting the law of causality. There's no foundation for trusting the basic reliability of sense perception. [00:15:38]

Where we say you start is with self-consciousness, and from self-consciousness, you move to the existence of God. You don't start with God-consciousness and move to the existence of the self. By necessity, human beings thinking with human minds must start with where they are, with their brains. [00:17:54]

We say God is first in the order of being, but not first in the order of knowing. And in our next class, I will begin to demonstrate how classical apologetics constructs its case for the existence of God. [00:23:07]

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