Faith and Baptism: Understanding Salvation's True Order

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I would first answer by making the question more precise because the quite the way I'd posed the question is are we justified before in or after are we united to Christ do we become one with Christ and God becomes one over set for us before in or after baptism because in the New Testament the word saved is used for what happens before in and after baptism. [00:50:34]

So the word salvation in the new testament is broad and includes pieces of salvation and what's really being asked is when did it all start the first moment of union with Christ the moment of justification which is not a process like sanctification is but decisive if God is for us who can be against us when did that start at what point does God count us a child not a child of wrath which we all are by nature. [00:109:57]

Romans 3:28 we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law Romans 5:1 therefore since we have been justified by faith we have peace with God Romans 4:5 to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly his faith is counted as righteousness. [00:197:06]

Justification being put right with God by union with Christ in the divine miracle of conversion a new birth that point is by faith and faith alone on our part God uses faith as the sole instrument of union with Christ and thus counts us righteous and becomes 100% for us in the instant that we have faith in Jesus that's my answer. [00:267:43]

The thief on the cross was told by Jesus that that very day he would be with him in paradise he was not baptized and therefore though I know he's a special case I don't think you build a theology of baptism on the thief on the cross but one thing one thing it says is baptism is not an absolute necessity because it wasn't in his case. [00:323:51]

Paul treats baptism as an expression of faith so that the decisive act that unites us to Christ is the faith and it is expressed outwardly in baptism here's here's a very key text frame because you know when I went to Germany how is a lone Baptist you know in a bit of of Lutheran lines and they were loving lines they just licked me they didn't they didn't eat me but they did not approve of what I believed. [00:353:55]

In him in Christ also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands by putting off the body of flesh by the circumcision of Christ having been buried with him in Baptism in which you were also raised with him through faith you were buried with him and raised with him in Baptism through faith in the powerful working of God who raised him from the dead. [00:404:50]

The burial with Christ in the water and the rising with Christ out of the water it seems to me from that text are not what unites you to Christ that is the going under the water the coming up out of the water that's not what unites you to Christ it is through faith that you are decisively united to Christ. [00:440:50]

Acts 22:16 rise and be baptized and wash away your sins now if you stopped right there you say well there it is you know the water is the forgiving agent but that's not where you stop it says rise being baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name so the sense I think is the same baptism is the outward expression of calling on the name of the Lord in faith. [00:537:52]

Baptism which corresponds to this now saves you that's probably the most clear text for those who want to say that baptism is salvific it actually does the saving it says baptism saves you and then immediately as though he knows he said something almost a radical because it was so compromised justification by faith he says not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal. [00:617:05]

Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit so it looks like repent condition number one be baptized condition number two and forgiveness will be given to you and I've been arguing because I think so many texts teach it that no repentance and faith as one piece are what obtains forgiveness not the baptism. [00:717:10]

Faith precedes baptism and is operative in baptism so we are a justified at the very first act of genuine saving faith in Christ and then baptism follows and preferably would follow soon as an outward expression of that inward reality. [00:856:57]

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