Exploring Truth and the Existence of God

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SPROUL: We are about to begin a series of unrehearsed debates between myself and my colleague, Dr. John Gerstner. Now, it’s important to note at the outset that these debates are properly speaking ‘mock debates.’ That means that in one sense they’re insincere inasmuch as the positions I will be espousing will be positions that I myself do not believe or adhere to. My ignominious role in this exercise is to serve as the ‘Devil’s advocate.’ [00:01:47]

GERSTNER: You’re quite correct when you say that we Christians say there is a God. Now, first of all that’s a proposition, which I maintain is a true proposition. Now, you are hostile to it, but I take it you’re not hostile to a definition of the term. You understand the same as I understand what that proposition means. Would you agree with me on that? [00:06:03]

GERSTNER: It’s a meaningful proposition to which I give an affirmative response, and the rational thing for rational people to do at a point like this is to ask what’s the reason I affirm it and what’s the reason you deny it. Do you want to take the initiative or do you want me to? [00:07:06]

GERSTNER: You’re saying it’s irrelevant. Now that is an irrelevant – that is a non-rational proposition I would say, because if this being does exist, and I’m assuming the dictionary definition of the term just as you, He is the author of your being, and for you to stand there and say that is irrelevant to me doesn’t sound like a very brilliant observation. [00:07:41]

SPROUL: I have an existential view of truth. And for me as an existentialist, see, truth is an experience. It’s an encounter. It’s feeling more than rational propositions. And you want to insist that truth is some kind of objective, rational system. [00:09:57]

GERSTNER: You’re giving a very fine statement, a cosmological argument. Now, why don't you make a critique of it while you're at it? [00:19:32]

SPROUL: Let me ask you, how does – how can we get through this massive leap from looking at this podium or the blackboard to – GERSTNER: You use all these pejorative terms. SPROUL: Well, we are moving to a very high degree here. GERSTNER: Moving and leaping on two different things here. [00:19:42]

SPROUL: Alright, what I want to know is how, Dr. Gerstner, you can reason from this created realm to this invisible Creator? GERSTNER: OK. I’ve already told you, and you’ve mocked it out, but I’ll say it again, and I’ll ask you – you don’t have to take this mock debate so seriously as that to give mock arguments, you know, that you will actually address what I say rather than make authoritative statements Emanuel Kant thought differently. [00:20:20]

SPROUL: I’m just trying to identify the argument as the cosmological argument. Now, I would say with Kant my ally that what it requires to move, whether it’s a gentle step, progression up a ladder, – GERSTNER: Rationally move. We’re talking sense now. [00:20:47]

SPROUL: Or, we’ll jump up in the air here, whatever it is, Dr. Gerstner, we are moving. You grant that? GERSTNER: We’re not leaping. SPROUL: From this sphere, OK -- but we are moving from this sphere to some metaphysical sphere. Now, it would seem to me, Dr. Gerstner, that in order to do that, we would have to make some assumptions, which I think, with Kant, such as – [00:21:02]

SPROUL: I’m trying to give it to you. That the assumption that we’re making that I would regard as gratuitous, as a leap, – GERSTNER: Go ahead, now, I know what Emanuel Kant and R.C. Sproul the Devil’s advocate knows – SPROUL: Here's the leap, is -- GERSTNER: One little argument, please. [00:21:28]

SPROUL: -- that the assumption here, Dr. Gerstner, is that the law of causality which we'll use in our scientific inquiry of this world -- GERSTNER: That's true. SPROUL: – would apply to this other world equally. GERSTNER: That is not necessarily true. [00:21:41]

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