Experiencing God's Presence: Transcendence, Imminence, and Community

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"i don't see how i could possibly over exalt the majesty of god and i don't see how exalting the majesty of god and the greatness of god in any way diminishes the sweetness of his presence to which we have access." [00:18:01]

"we don't go any more to sinai to a mountain that that where there's a a wall around it and you're going to get shot with an arrow if your dog runs over there and touches the mountain, but the wall of partition has been broken the temple curtain has been rent and we are now ushered what have we been talking about this whole time into the very presence of christ into the presence of god into the presence of the saints and the general assembly in heaven." [00:20:12]

"as close as we can come into the presence of our lord and of god we come with boldness but never with arrogance never with presumption always remembering the majesty of our king in whose presence we are invited we come to his very table we're adopted into his very family you don't get any more imminent to that." [00:20:51]

"i mean the adopted the adopted ones of the transcendent god are invited into his immediate presence i emphasize that every time we come to the lord's table that'll divide us too but i really believe in the in the real presence of christ not physically but i believe in the real true presence of jesus christ at the lord's supper and that the sacrament is a real means of grace and that when we come there we're coming straight on into the immediate imminent presence of jesus christ at his table." [00:22:35]

"the phrase personal relationship with jesus christ bothers me a little bit i don't know how other people feel about that but i think it very often takes the place of a corporate relationship with jesus christ i can't i don't have a personal relationship with jesus christ in the sense that there's something about the relationship that i have with him that nobody else has i am a member of the body of christ i am a member of the church of jesus christ i have a corporate relationship with jesus christ." [00:23:30]

"transcendence and imminence are not attributes of god transcendence and imminence are not attributes of god god just is transcendence and imminence are ways in which we describe our consciousness of god our awareness of god he doesn't have a transcendent part and an imminent part he isn't actually sometimes transcendent and sometimes imminent his imminence is not a prisoner of his transcendence and his transcendence is not a prisoner of his imminence god simply is and where god is is heaven." [00:33:38]

"so wherever we experience what we describe as the imminence of god the god we are experiencing the god with whom we have communion is the god of the heavenly presence so we call him our father in heaven if i'm speaking here and now to our father in heaven even although from one point of view obviously body soul i'm here on the earth if i'm engaging in communion with him then my categories and i recognize the legitimacy of those categories for the systematizing of our theology but those categories of transcendence and imminence are not categories in which i'm describing where god is or really how it is that i'm communing with him." [00:34:22]

"i am communing imminently to me with the one who is always transcendent and in his transcendence is always imminent even although i'm not always conscious of that so wherever i have communion with god i have communion with god in the only place god is from that point of view i think we also need to understand that god is not a prisoner in his heaven from which he sometimes escapes in order to make himself known on the earth." [00:35:20]

"all spiritual blessings have been poured out upon us now what is the sphere in which those blessings have been poured out upon us where where are we to get them in the heavenlies as we engage in a church in spiritual warfare where are we engaging in that spiritual warfare in the heavenlies so there is this strand of thought in the new testament alongside other strands of thought that that helps us to understand all of our communion with god is in heaven." [00:36:30]

"when it comes down more narrowly as both the rc's senior and junior have been saying to the kind of specificity of our communion with jesus christ at the lord's supper that's why we say lift up your hearts because what we believe takes place this is the kind of thing that calvin says in the institutes although in a very distinctive kind of way what we believe we are experiencing there in a very intense focused form is our communion with jesus christ who is seated at the right hand of the father." [00:37:02]

"so we can take genesis at its face value and it'll stand every test so that's basically where you would put the the line of orthodoxy i think an orthodox treatment of genesis 1 and 2 is to come out with a six 24-hour day creation just as genesis says depending on what you mean by orthodox i mean but that would be in my estimation the purest truest representation of what those verses are saying and they're really not saying anything else so any other view is imported in." [00:45:56]

"i think it is only right that you take genesis at its face value which is a six 24 hour day or 23 point something treatment of the text there's nothing about evolution in there there's nothing about day ages in there there is nothing other than a straightforward presentation of what we have in genesis at its most simple reading six 24-hour days discussed as a period of light in a period of dark there was morning and there was evening and it was this day and it was morning and it was evening and this day." [00:43:31]

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