Embracing Change Through Curiosity and Faith

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today a remarkable thing is going to happen today you're going to change For Better or For Worse on purpose or by accident with God's help or all by yourself one way or another you're going to change the day so why not make it for the better why not do that together with God and by the way you will never get the chance to change today again after this day so change starts today [00:00:28]

curiosity you might think about it as open-mindedness taking a deep interest in something for its own sake finding topics fascinating and especially glad because I get to talk today to Shauna pilgrim Shauna is a friend she and her husband Ben Nancy and I have gotten to go out for reels with and she is a co-founder of Epic Church in the San Francisco area which is a fascinating place to start a church [00:01:21]

a lot of times when people think about faith they almost think that it's anti-curiosity and uh sometimes people look even at the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and they think that Eve got in trouble for being curious and God kind of slapped her on the wrist like we're just supposed to passively submit to whatever the authorities tell us and not be curious [00:02:49]

what I've come to learn is that being rooted and grounded in Christ freeze frees us it frees us to be curious so that we can navigate relationships and conversations with people who are trying to figure out what they believe so I think curiosity is something worth pursuing and something worth developing as Christians [00:04:08]

I think that curious people people who aren't quite sure what they believe in yet they don't have that Faith Foundation they have to put their their faith in Jesus I think from my experience they want to know that I'm curious I think maybe for the longest time I thought that oh no they need to say that I've got it all together and I've got it figured out [00:05:09]

what is so refreshing for my non-Christian friends is that they see that I don't have it all figured out that I'm still learning and growing that I haven't arrived yet so I think it gives them some refreshment that as if they choose as they choose to put their faith in Jesus that it's something that they get to continue to grow and explore and not something that they just arrive at [00:05:37]

curious people listen well and I think that that's something to consider maybe backtracking to a question you asked earlier that we even practice with Alphas that curious people are good listeners and I think that's one thing that we can take away with that but in the in the book translating Jesus I I take us to three places that Jesus spent time at [00:08:09]

what I love that we get to see in the life of Jesus is that as he was at all three places he was there with those who believed and he was there with those who didn't believe that it did not change his identity it didn't change his rootedness in his father and I love that he models that for us that we can be rooted and grounded as we are in society [00:08:49]

curiosity is really the foundational requirement for discipleship you know come and see Andrew would say to his brother you know I found and and to be curious about Jesus what do you have to say is this really true and it's interesting uh they had been disciples for quite a while when Jesus asked them who do you say that I am they still didn't know at that point [00:09:41]

curiosity can be cultivated curiosity is a learned skill curiosity is not in opposition to having a commitment of Faith so today ask questions a love uh in Buddhism often they will talk about The Beginner's mind where instead of assuming yep already know they're been there done that bought the T-shirt uh I become interested and I adopt a posture of Wonder and not knowing [00:10:21]

I was talking to a friend yesterday who uh uh has suffered the loss of somebody in his life and was just asking about what do you think happens after you die and I was keenly aware in the moment I know what I'm supposed to say I'm a pastor and I'm also aware of the fact that uh for anybody who's human in this world there is so much mystery and unknown [00:06:25]

Dallas Willard used to say that often when people go to church we are so paralyzed but we know we're by what we know we're supposed to believe that if we found out what people who go to church actually believe many pastors who are horrified and I think often for a lot of pastors if they find out what they actually believe as opposed to what what it is that you think that you are supposed to believe [00:07:06]

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