Embracing Authenticity: The Journey to Genuine Relationships

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"one man always acts with impeccable correctness but only with great difficulty did you admit to me what his behavior is like in secret another always appears extremely serious minded but has childish habits which he carefully hides a devoutly religious man lays bare the intolerable tragedy of his life for he is generally thought of as an example of serene piety whereas in reality he is haunted constantly by sexual obsessions" [00:02:00]

"how many people there are who are one thing at home and something quite different outside in their homes they have themselves weighted on like eastern potentates outside they live lives of devotion to others author authoritarian tyrannical argumentative at home patient and conciliatory in the outside world and he just goes on and on to talk about all of us have a very difficult time even knowing what motivates our life" [00:02:30]

"so i may do things that look quite good but my motives are really dark or on the other hand uh i might be involved in all kinds of behaviors i wish i wasn't and yet really be eager to to do well yeah and um so we all bring to relationships it's very complicated it's harder than our motives we're way more mixed up and in the world of religion and faith sometimes we just make it into real simplistic black and white" [00:02:57]

"there are moments that come we can't force them but where i get real with you and where we encounter somebody at a really deep level and the mask comes off and you know he talks about how we tend to live automatic lives and that suddenly ceases and there's vulnerability and there's honesty and um and yet somehow it's so hard and i know for myself i feel most alive when that happens and i love it when that happens" [00:03:50]

"i love it when it happens with you and yet i can often feel in myself something blocks it um i want things to be harmonious i want things to be peaceful i want other people to see my persona my image and not my real person and i i somehow have a hard time letting that happen and i admire nancy and it also ticks me off sometimes how you seem to have a capacity where people just feel when you're with them that you are real" [00:04:20]

"i'm making a distinction between two dialogues which always go together we've seen that the person pure and simple does not exist there's always the mass the persona what's automatic the real inner encounter the true dialogue which commits us is enveloped in the external dialogue which expresses it even when this communication is felt in silence which we are fond of saying is more eloquent than speech" [00:05:10]

"the silence itself is charged with the words that have been exchanged before it began so there are there's a double dialogue he says one apparent invisible formed of our words our confidences our looks and our gestures the encounter of personas but then the second one is the deeper one where two persons in a risky vulnerable naked way come face to face what is it that enables you when you're with someone" [00:05:40]

"to reveal to be honest to take risks to enter into that deeper inner dialogue well and whoever's good at that i don't think any of us feel like it's so easy and i've honed all the skills for it it's still hard i think for all of us if we're honest way way down deep is this desire to be known and to not just live on the surface where everything is pleasant but it's not real" [00:06:10]

"and i think that's a that the first of that is very motivating to me is i want to be known and i want to know the other person i don't want them to walk away having had a pleasant conversation but feeling that loneliness of let we all have if they only knew they only knew and then you and i've talked about this before but less and less lee parrot have that great sentence that conflict is the only way to intimacy" [00:06:40]

"and maybe it's a little overstated maybe it's best to say conflict is a really significant way to intimacy and it's worth it's worth it it's worth the price to get to the other side over time um to be known and to know and then your your relationship goes to a deeper level to another level which is so great and boy the psalms are full of laments the the bible's full of times where people have conflict with god" [00:07:10]

"and almost inevitably or oftentimes the other side of it is a deeper knowing and then i think the other thing is especially with closest friends um i i it's a way to trust the relationship our relationship is not so fragile that it can't handle this yeah i think when you were talking about that desire to be known just back to genesis where uh adam knew eve and so that's the great desire is to be known to be naked and not afraid" [00:07:40]

"and not just physically but um emotionally and relationally and yet um fear is the great block of that i was afraid uh and so i heard and um uh i think turnier talks about how even in close relationships close friendships or marriages um over time there's kind of a collusion there can be kind of a collusion where uh we just agree together not to go there we don't even agree yeah yeah it's unspoken" [00:08:10]

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