Eldership Part 2 Michael Burns

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Jesus had disciples who fell away. That that's that's a fact. We don't go back and say Jesus doesn't get to be Messiah. When in fact, Jesus' family tree was intentionally highlighted as flawed. Go back and read the genealogies. It was not a perfect family tree, and yet here comes Jesus. And and God works through this, you know, those who reject him. And so this idea that now we have somebody who can can roll or be responsible for the salvation of somebody else, I think, is theologically problematic. [00:28:57] (42 seconds) Download clip

If what Paul is saying in Titus is that a an elder's children must be disciples in order for him to be an elder, I find that theologically inconsistent and problematic. Because nowhere in scripture do we find the idea that an individual is responsible for the salvation of another individual. That would take away the individual's free right. And I think that that that interpretation would make an elder's qualifications dependent on something that he cannot control. And and my opinion is if you look, even God had rebellious children. God had people rebelling against him. Jesus had disciples who fell away. [00:28:06] (54 seconds) Download clip

Don't overstress the idea where he says submit to the elders. Oh, no. The elders are running the show, and they tell us what to do. No. They are guiding, and we should submit to their leadership. But notice again, he stresses his humility towards one another, that everybody is showing humility and playing a role. So the elders represent. They guide. They care for the people using a power under, a gentle sacrificial, humble power, not the hierarchy of the world. [00:39:52] (35 seconds) Download clip

Paul is emphasizing sobriety, gentleness, and good reputation. He's talking about being sober minded, being self controlled. This is the direct contrast to the frenzied ecstatic worship associated phesian cults, the Artemis cult, and many of the other cults around the ancient world. He doesn't want them to be a recent convert. Elders were generally older, more experienced people. This prevents the puffing up of ego. This is in a city that loved celebrity and religious status and titles. Paul wants people who have been tested and shown through time that they're not gonna be swayed by that kind of thing. [00:34:30] (45 seconds) Download clip

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