Church and State: Theological Tensions Through History

Feb 28, 2025

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A concordat was drawn up in which the emperor agreed that the church should elect Bishops and Abbotts and vest them with their office although elections were to be held in the presence of the king he was prohibited from influencing the decision by simony or the threat of violence while it was the church who selected her clergy it was the secular rulers who then handed them the symbols of their Authority. [00:06:23]

The controversy over lay investure signals the emerging tension that existed in medieval Europe between church and state one of the defining elements of the Middle Ages is the close association between altars and Thrones there was a synergism between church and state that makes what we call the Middle Ages the Middle Ages but as Europe's Nobles Consolidated their wealth and their influence that synergism morphed into a competition for land and power. [00:07:43]

The controversy overlay investure was a major part of setting the stage for the Renaissance and the modern World by helping divide church and state from the union that had marked the Medieval World we're going to round out this episode with a review of an aberant doctrine that kept resurfacing in the Church of both the East and the West it was an attempt to understand the person of Christ. [00:08:36]

The basic idea is that Jesus was merely a human who was adopted by God into his role as Messiah and savior now the nature of this adoption that is what it affected in Jesus is where adoption is different that and when exactly God the Father adopted Jesus the man to become the Son of God now some think that it occurred at his baptism others at his resurrection still others at his ascension. [00:09:19]

Adoptionist all concur with Jesus's Humanity but deny his eternal Essence as God the son they say he became the Son of God due to his morally excellent life now the church declared adoptionism a heresy at the end of the 2 Century but it continued to find a home in the work of several teachers and groups in the foll centuries right up through the Middle Ages and even into some groups today. [00:10:05]

The term adoptionism is used to describe another but well really different flavor of the idea that arose in Spain during the 8th and the 9th century and so it's called creatively enough Spanish adoptionism it might be better to call it reverse adoptionism because it starts with God the son who ad adopts a human body but not a human nature confused let me explain it this way. [00:11:02]

Spanish adoptionism which said that God the son pretended to be a man in the Incarnation now the first to articulate this view was in the late 8th Century elandis he was the Archbishop of Toledo his views were quickly seized on by his opponents and declared heretical his supporters were some to appear before the Holy Roman Emperor Charlamagne whose clerics were able to persuade them away from their apparent beliefs. [00:11:18]

While adoptionism can rightly be labeled a heresy as especially its early manifestation Spanish adoptionism it's a trickier Wicked I don't want to get into the technical details of the theology so let me just say that there are in the New Testament some passages that at a surface reading seem to speak of Jesus with two sunship when those passages are viewed through the lens of some of the early church fathers. [00:12:09]

Theology is the Fine Art of making distinctions and those distinctions are expressed in words finding the exact right word has proven to be The Angst filled work of centuries and some of the keenest minds in history though Spanish adoptionism was effectively quelled by the 10th Century it resurfaced in the 11th and the 12th to once again enjoy a brief moment in the Sun and then to be sprayed with some more theological Roundup and die out once more. [00:12:35]

In the flavor of new thought that fueled liberal Christianity in this brand of adoptionism Jesus is a man who by his exemplary moral path becomes an enlightened agent for God's spirit to work through this liberal Progressive Jesus isn't a savior so much as an example a Pathfinder who doesn't make a way for us to heaven so much as just show us the way there obviously not the historic position of the Orthodox Christian Church. [00:13:16]

The investiture controversy was a significant conflict between secular and ecclesiastical powers over the appointment of church officials. This struggle highlighted the tension between the church's spiritual authority and the secular rulers' desire for control. The Concordat of Worms in 1122 was a pivotal moment, as it attempted to resolve this conflict by allowing the church to elect bishops and abbots while involving secular rulers in the ceremonial bestowal of office symbols. [00:06:23]

Theological debates, such as those surrounding adoptionism, remind us of the importance of precise language and distinctions in articulating our beliefs. The work of theologians throughout history underscores the significance of understanding and expressing the nature and identity of Jesus. [00:12:35]

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