Becoming a Church of Disciples: Living Faith Together

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"Yeah, I think the heart of it was that we wouldn't just be a church that does discipleship, but we would be a church of disciples. That's really the end goal because I don't think that ever ends. And by God's grace, people will keep coming and they need to be plugged in and not just discover Jesus for themselves, but discover Jesus through us." [00:01:09]

"And so we have a huge role and responsibility to play in not just discipling those that have been a part of life, but those that are coming in to understand what it is to be a follower of Jesus, which is why I'm so passionate about groups because it really has to be the key vehicle for discipleship to actually take place in a church like ours, multi-site and multi-serviced and even multi-country. And it's not going to be enough just for the shop front window of a Sunday to do it, but it's the day-to-day gathering together where we're going to see that discipleship take place." [00:04:23]

"And that is why I think, you know, the Book of Acts talks about it, where they met at the temple, but they also met in homes. Sometimes, you know, if you want the purest picture of a thriving, healthy, strong discipleship reality church, it's right there in Acts 2, where it even goes to the point where the depth of relationship was such that you realize the day-to-day or the house-to-house meeting where the transactional of relationship took place got to the point where anyone that was in need inside of their community got cared for." [00:05:43]

"And, you know, I think that's the challenge for us is that we don't see groups in a church that's got a lot of activity and a lot of size and a lot of different realities and opinions and can do a lot of different good things, some things we fail on and learn from, but if we see groups as just an add-on, then I think we'll be a church that does discipleship, not a church full of disciples." [00:06:56]

"on subject matter when it comes to Sundays to, in a strategic way is the way I would put it, speak to the culture of the day, reminding people the Bible's got every answer we need, first and foremost. But secondly, speaking to people's Mondays to develop a conviction that I'm not just a Sunday Christian, but I'm a Monday Christian, a Tuesday Christian, a Wednesday Christian. And so the fundamentals like why the Bible, why the church, you know, why give all of these principled things the Bible teaches us, if we don't do those personally, and we don't have people keeping us accountable to do them personally, we will get picked apart." [00:10:50]

"But because the enemy's trying to snuff out the light, the light shines brighter and becomes the answer. And so that's why I get excited, not for the fact that I'll probably end up in some paper and probably some people in this room will believe the lie that's in there. But the reality is... I don't know about that, Pastor Luke. The reality is, we're going to have to have a backbone that says, you know, I know without a shadow of a doubt that he is Lord, that he is King, that he is Savior. But I don't just know it because I've got a great faith as an individual following Jesus. I know it because I've got people like Tim." [00:12:27]

"that when the church hears are you in a group it's not just are you in a connect group oh cool so we connect around a sport or a hobby or they're all good things and I think they can still exist however I think we want to go on this journey of redefining discipleship through groups and groups being the main vehicle for that so I think there are key things like the praying for each person in our group like the regular meeting it's really hard if you call it a discipleship group in my opinion if we're going to see groups be the main vehicle for discipleship to meet once a month because that probably equals 10 times a year January February January December if you make everywhere and then the one and two so someone might get five it's pretty hard to say I've effectively discipled those individuals so we're throwing around all sorts ideas at the moment as you know but I think like if we could if we could attempt to rename them and reshape them around discipleship rather than connection as the primary and second second to that regularity of aiming for a fortnightly now we're all time poor let's be honest but again thinking about the more regular it is the more opportunity we have to have people come into our world and us to disciple them I mean if you want to do the acts to account they met in the temple daily I'm here pretty much every day but not for the temple matters all the time it's work meetings whatnot but the regularity is what we see the change in the disciples lives take place and so I think there is a model there of saying if we're really serious about this we probably have to consider those types of things yeah I also think alignment is quite critical and again I've had this conversation with you but I've asked myself if discipleship is what we are going to be known for not just what we do and I'm in this season of my life charged with the responsibility of facilitating what God has for life and am I putting enough of my own time and energy into facilitating the alignment of what God's wanting to disciple the church with" [00:15:47]

"How many in this room would find it helpful in time poor society where there's this plethora of videos on the website where it's not like, hey, you must do this one this week, but hey, here's a whole lot of options. What would meet a need for your group around Sunday sermons or around topics or around other bits and pieces? And why that's important to me is, A, it might help, but B, it brings alignment so that when there is something going on in our society and we need to do something about it, and we need to develop backbone, it might be, hey, why don't we all focus on this one? Because it's a key subject matter that we're going to teach on." [00:19:52]

"That's why I think there's going to have to be an increasing level of accountability around us all buying into. If we're responsible for these people that call life home, I want to make sure that we're doing it. I want to make sure that we're all in this together, saying that, hey, on behalf of life, we're going to keep accountable to make sure that these people are being discipled. Because I want to know that no matter how big it may get because of God bringing people to what he's building here, that we are accountable, not to the upline that might be asking for it, but ultimately to God, that he's brought these people into our world that we've got to care for and disciple. And that's why that really matters. It does matter to me going forward." [00:26:42]

"And when you're a shepherd, you look at it differently. A shepherd makes sure that one doesn't disappear. The shepherd leaves the ones all good. To go find the one that's not good. That's not good mathematic assessment. You wouldn't do that for the probability as a mathematician. But biblical maths aren't the same as earthly maths. Shepherd's math goes the ones more important than the 99. Whereas if we're not careful, our math is, well, I've got 99. It was only one. And I think that's the thing is that we care so much that we go after, but we're also accountable to that. So that we actually all disciple well." [00:28:11]

"Because right now, our society is all about our word, our opinion. That's our stone-throwing reality. As we read in the Bible, that's how people throw stones, 21st centuryers, our words, our opinions. So we have our word, we want our will, and we'd rather have it our way. Whereas we actually got to come back and say, nope, it's his word, his will, his way. That's what we believe. And out of that place. And out of that place, those that then build our house, God's house, will build it much healthily and much stronger than they could have ever built before. And I think we'll stop any kind of form of burnout or anything because now it's not, oh, I better do it because that's the good Christian thing to do. Or, oh, they needed me and someone asked me to jump on a team. It's like, man, I get to? I actually get to play a." [00:36:24]

"Be kind to yourself in the pursuit of Jesus. Keep your heart right and the rest will follow. But I think the more we can lead with vulnerability, the more we connect with people. Think about the power of the cross. That was Jesus' most vulnerable moment. He was naked and it was the saving of all mankind. Your vulnerability speaks volumes to people that are going through it." [00:40:14]

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