Beautiful Resistance: Cultivating Counter-Formation in Faith

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"and you know in biblical theology a church is like a contrast community to the world you know thinking there the language of our mutual friend tim mackey from the bible project this kind of contrast between what is and what could be so talk to us about what's behind like why did you choose that title" [00:01:46]

"and he talks about the need to produce a harder stronger kind of person with a stronger formation than that of the third reich and so you've got this prophet on a hill contrasting his vision of discipleship with hitler's vision of forming people into soldiers for a great war and his basic line is this must be stronger than that we must form people more strongly than hitler is trying to form people" [00:05:45]

"spiritual formation is not a christian thing or religious thing it's a human thing we're all being formed and we're all becoming a person we're all indexing in a certain direction you know trending in a certain direction for better or for worse and two all christian spiritual formation is counter formation" [00:07:05]

"and when i realized that jesus came to set me free from the deformation of the world and changed me into the person i was like born by god to become it was a source of liberation and joy now this happened in a pentecostal environment so it was like pretty dramatic you know a lot of course a lot of wow and a lot of sizzle" [00:08:43]

"and they are forming us so if you sooner so that there's a there's formation happening on the level of narrative this formation happening in the level of personal story this formation happening the level of identity what it means to be human and then we are radically enculturated piece by piece step by step" [00:10:23]

"and if those practices are only turning you inwards in to sort of self-reflection and not outwards in self-sacrifice you're not living the way of jesus you're doing life hacks and they may be like good antidotes to some of the brokenness of modern life but that's a different thing than becoming like christ" [00:22:06]

"and true spiritual formation will always drive us beyond the self into the heart of the church otherwise it's just like renewing project self and it's not the kingdom of god now i do want to acknowledge that some people may actually need a disproportionate season of like time alone and thoughtfulness" [00:22:55]

"and i think about you know in the gospels that when peter's kind of freaked out about the rich young ruler and jesus says whoever's left home or father or mother or brothers i will give them back to him and he says and in this life a hundredfold those things will be given to you rely on the church community" [01:07:55]

"and i think the future of the church it's it's honestly it's some things i don't like there's some things that are the future of the church that i don't like um that that are absolutely culturally inevitable um there's some things for the church i'm actually very very optimistic about and it's primarily because like" [01:16:21]

"i think the future of the church is discipleship the future of the church is discipleship it is cultural christianity around here will literally melt away it'll just be it's it's gone in a lot of places it will only further disappear it'll be conscious choices to follow jesus" [01:18:54]

"and i think we're going to start seeing like two things at once discipleship will be better locally than it's been in decades and more digital than it's ever been in decades it'll be local and online it will be formation and mission it will be it will be all of these dichotomies held together in a compelling way" [01:20:55]

"and so i think recovering that that the stable gift of that is one of the great tasks of our world today so yeah it's it's it's multi-dimensional there's some profound thought in that as we and what would you say i don't know anybody that got what your son nate got with the primal path" [01:29:20]

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