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``And we may say evil like, you know, in the movies, like the horror evil, but, you know, poverty is evil. We know that hatred is evil. We know that injustice is evil. We've experienced these things. And maybe even one of the most common things that we don't like to say is when we see our loved ones pass away, that's evil. And Jesus stands in front of that, confronts it, and Jesus pushes back.