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It's at this moment that John drops this bomb, verse 30. He, speaking of Jesus, must become greater and greater, and I must become less and less. And this is the entire Christian life in one sentence. He must increase, and I must must decrease. And by the way, John would certainly become less and less from the perspective of power and prestige. Decrease was not just symbolism for John. John would actually have his freedom taken away from him and eventually his life, all for the sake of following the way of God.