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And so there is a sense that Christianity is about a relationship, it's about actually knowing God, not knowing about God. I know about God, but I know God. I hear his voice. He woke me up this morning. 03:00, he's got this terrible way of waking me up in the middle of the night. And I'll tell you just now what he said to me. But it's like I walk with him day by day. On the way of this morning, both my wife and I were driving and we were just singing and there was a sense of the Lord was with us. We've both us, such a sense of his presence with us in the car. In the pre meeting, I sensed his presence with us, we heard him speak, it's knowing him.