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People such such like Judas who are very close, very close to Jesus but yet did not have a transformed heart. You know, Judas was all along with Jesus being the treasurer in Jesus' ministries but he never believed in in him. He never believed in him. He was just there in proximity. So someone can just be maybe in church in proximity, but they have heard the gospel time and again, time and again, time and again. They know Christ is the sufficient one. They know that Christ is the only way to the father, but they have failed to receive Christ as the only one.