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I was writing my notes down afterwards and asked the question what do I see I see someone who's feeling really threatened herewho is he who am I I'm answering the question and I think well it's clearly all about him it's all about his position his identity and his role are really enmeshedseparate thingswhere do I fit I ask the question well he's really insecure he's he's got this arrogance inside of him I'm greater but he's also really threatened and what do I gethe's he's asking the question what am I going to lose